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Vatican: The Extraterrestrial Is My Brethren

If for some times believing in alien, extraterrestrial being, ET, is only a discussion in science or even pseudo-science; let’s turn the page! Because here comes a new era, when this topic is welcomed by religion. Vatican astronomer says believing in aliens does not contradict faith in God. Right, so humanity is step into a new era.

But before we move forward, are there really exist extraterrestrial life-forms?

As a multiplicity of creatures exist on earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God. This does not contrast with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God. To say it with Saint Francis, if we consider earthly creatures as “brother” and “sister,” why cannot we also speak of an “extraterrestrial brother?” It would therefore be a part of creation. “, according to Fr. Funes S.J., the director of Vatican Observatory, on his interview with L’Osservatore Romano (english translated).

So, it does not matter either alien exist or not. This is not about that! This is about how humanity sees the possibilities.

Beside, I will not make any side between science or religion. However from only simple statement from one person have a profound impact on how humanity see the possibilities. If you believe in God then there isn’t a scientific discovery needed to change your mind, or prove that God doesn’t exist. Do you need proof for your faith? On the other end, that doesn’t mean you have to be completely ignorant to the wonderful things science gives. Should the faith system & science contradict to each other?

Accordingly, a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance and loftiness of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation. They exist with the same necessity and matter-of-factness as he himself. In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be, and outside of its domain value judgments of all kinds remain necessary. Religion, on the other hand, deals only with evaluations of human thought and action: it cannot justifiably speak of facts and relationships between facts. According to this interpretation the well-known conflicts between religion and science in the past must all be ascribed to a misapprehension of the situation which has been described.”

This is what Einstein said in New York Times Magazine in 1930. There you go mr. Einstein!

In particular for astronomy, as Fr. Funes said: “John XXIII said that our mission should be that of explaining the Church to astronomers and astronomy to the Church. We are like a bridge, a small bridge, between the world of science and the Church. Along this bridge, there is one who goes in one direction and one who goes in the other. ..”

Welcome to the new age! The age of cosmic spirituality!

Mei 26, 2008 - Posted by | Astronomy, Culture, Humanity, Nature | , , , , , , , , ,

10 Komentar »

  1. Yap … it’s true that religion and science shouldn’t be seen as opposing poles in human life. Even Carl Sagan said that science gives proofs of an extraordinary mind arranging the universe. The truth is, religion and science never oppose each other … but religious institutions and scientific organizations (in the 18th century, supported by the Burgouis who are against the Church – especially on land ownership) do clash on basic principles of worldly mechanism. So it’s never faith in God that creates polemic, it’s political interest. By the way, it’s a good news for man that the Church finally accept scientific researches as a partner’s biblical studies.

    Komentar oleh Dyah Yasmina | Juni 1, 2008 | Balas

  2. I thought Copernican Rome could not drag the Catholic faith any further into disrepute, but I was wrong. A simple visit into a few blogsites will confirm this. If anyone out there wants to know, here is one Catholic that will have nothing to do with people that believe in aliens and that they can pervert and insult a parable of Christ to make it fit their ignorant ideology. To even argue that aliens have not one iota of scientific evidence would be wrong as it would be taking this Fr Funes seriously.
    What I will say is that no “exoplanets” have actually been identified outside of star ‘perturbations’ that are interpreted as being planets. Given that ‘perturbations’ are the figment of the erroneous maths of Newton’s elliptical orbits, they have no reality outside of maths. The universe does not show ‘a clear evolutionary process’ as Fr Funes states but only one of decay, stars burning out and stellar debris clearly visible, just as St Paul stated in the Scriptures as a result of the Fall (‘because creation itself also will be delivered from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the sons of God. For we know that all creation groans and travails in pain until now.’ [Rom. 8: 21-22]. I for one, consider Fr Funes is no more than a modernist publicity seeker.

    Komentar oleh cassini | Juni 1, 2008 | Balas

  3. Wow.. i just knew that the Vatican have astronomers🙂
    and whay did it take so long to get the thoughts?
    On one side, i think this is a good news, on other side, i kinda aggree with cassini – perhaps for sake of some publicity . well let’s see what’s changing inside the Church then. Do the followers or the Christians agree unquestionably or not. just follow what the Vatican said -as usual :p
    Like Nggieng said: it’s how humanity sees possibilities🙂
    Hmm.. a cosmic spirituality?
    *thinking mode on*

    Komentar oleh nia | Juni 2, 2008 | Balas

  4. Dear Cassini, imho that would be too early to claim that Fr. Funes is another publicity seeker, since, he is the Director of Vatican Observatory, so he has the capacity to speak about what the scientists in Vatican Observatory had worked about for sometimes. They should have scientific supports here and there. Indeed that no exoplanets have been identified (yet), but that does not mean that it does not exist at all. The debate still open & that is the way of science. I kinda agree with Dyah Yasmina, it is the human that put the differences into matter, since the understanding stemmed from human perspective anyway.

    Well, i am not a religious person, so i will not much dwell in the spiritual discussion, neither discuss much from scripture, but citing from St. Augustine about the scripture and scientific phenomena should give us something to ponder:

    With the scriptures it is a matter of treating about the faith. For that reason, as I have noted repeatedly, if anyone, not understanding the mode of divine eloquence, should find something about these matters [about the physical universe] in our books, or hear of the same from those books, of such a kind that it seems to be at variance with the perceptions of his own rational faculties, let him believe that these other things are in no way necessary to the admonitions or accounts or predictions of the scriptures. In short, it must be said that our authors knew the truth about the nature of the skies, but it was not the intention of the Spirit of God, who spoke through them, to teach men anything that would not be of use to them for their salvation.

    For Nia, well .. this is not only for the Christendom, but this might open the pandora box for many faith systems in the world, whether we are alone in the vast universe? Or indeed we are the special one?

    Komentar oleh nggieng | Juni 5, 2008 | Balas

  5. Ngging, for someone ‘not religious’, that is one very religious reply that I should like to respond to.Having studied the history of faith and science for the last 15 years in order to write a book onit that I am calling THE EARTHMOVERS, I read far more into Fr Funes statement that anyone else does. There is a history to a priest of the 2008 Catholic Church making such a statement from an observatory. It is an accumulation of betrayal perpetrated on the Catholic Church’s true position, a truth abandoned around 1850. Fr Funes knows nothing apart from the stars he sees in his telescope. His interpretation of what he sees is an ideilogy adopted by popes and clergymen since the nineteenth century. Take for example his view of the sky. Where does he see ‘the clear evolutionary process’? Has he seen a star form or a planet form as this evolutionary ideology says? No he has not, he simply says it without any evidence at all, just like his aliens. The stars are there as a witness to God and the Fall, a sensual witness to Genesis One that should act as a subordinate means to salvation. Thanks to the Copernicans in the Church since 1616, now represented by the hierarchy in Rome, this way to God has been eliminated. today they undermine the faith with science fiction they actually take seriously. It is called intellectual pride and no doubt he has good standing among the atheists and agnostics that dominate astronomy and cosmology today.

    Komentar oleh cassini | Juni 5, 2008 | Balas

  6. Dear Cassini, well indeed there is no such evidence of alien at all. And i will not try to speculate about their existence nor try to defend the Vatican. However, what i have learned from what Vatican’s said, that is: this is about the lesson about ourselves – our own ourselves… our own assumptions, expectations, even prejudices. Maybe this ‘speculation’ from Fr. Funes, can help us understand in a newer and deeper way what God’s creation and salvation really mean, for all of God’s creation. (Cited from Bruder Guy Consolmagno, astronomer from Vatican).

    Yes, i agree that we are dealing with salvation according to scripture, but we never knew the limit of our understanding on God’s creation, and form my point of view, the fides et ratio is the complementary essential set of device given to us, humanity, to understand the mystery of the creation and the nature and how the God has spoken to us.

    I hope we come to an understanding. Btw, i would like to read your book, THE EARTH MOVERS, just tell me about that.

    Komentar oleh nggieng | Juni 8, 2008 | Balas

  7. Umm…… indeed, I didn’t know that Vatican has Astronomer as well.

    This article reminds me of Philip Pullman’s book, The Golden Compass. Not in particular, it’s just that, when I read this article, the book suddenly crossed my mind, that’s all.😀

    Nice one Anggie !😉

    Komentar oleh Ira | Juni 9, 2008 | Balas

  8. Nggieng, THE EARTHMOVERS has the following on its cover
    ‘Herein the untold story of the Galileo Case
    the scientific and metaphysical magic
    designed to destroy Catholic faith on earth.

    On the back cover is the following

    There was a time on this earth when all of mankind adhered to the ‘Genesis’ cosmology, that is, they knew our globe of life to be the created material and spiritual fixture at the centre of the universe, with the sun, moon and stars moving around it in many different ways every year, every month and every day. This is what is, what they saw and experienced, what we see and experience, what is reality to all.

    In the sixteenth to nineteenth centuries however, there was concluded a mission dating back some thousands of years, the reinstallation of the occult Egyptian, Gnostic and hermetic cosmology, an integral part of the ancient pagan world, a conversion that would change how all people – of both Church and State – perceived the universe and man’s place in it.

    What in fact emerged was a diabolical revolution against the triune God in the guise of science against faith, a catalyst of rationalism that spread its multi-faceted ideology under the progressively sounding names of the ‘Renaissance’ and the ‘Enlightenment’, an upheaval so devious and widespread in its application, so subtle in its methods, so universal in its success, so thorough in its continuity, that it can only be classed as the most brilliant intellectual deception in the whole of history.

    Much of the enclosed is meant to convey, as regards faith and science in particular, the deliberation and intelligence by which long established occult powers can conform ideas, beliefs and the flow of history to that all-pervasive dogma of equilibrium in which Newtonian gravity is their crown jewel.

    This then is the story of the Earthmovers and Sun-Fixers, who they were, why they needed to move the earth and fix the sun, and most of all how they did it.

    OK Nggieng.

    Komentar oleh cassini | Juni 9, 2008 | Balas

  9. Does Hubble not provide images of stars being born? Stars Dying? Of planets forming? The argument is far older than the 1800’s. What is to be interpreted literally and what is to be justified introspectively? Why is little mention of the understanding of the obvious existence of matter, processes, creation, and evolution outside of our immediate existence, both linearly in time and by distance in space.

    Dinosaurs WERE here for 150 million years. Matter and evolution DO go on around us, outside of us, all the time. We either must expand our understanding, a non-literal interpretation of biblical events, or accept that the whole story of creation has not been given to us, or handed down to us. Aliens, by the definition of a race of intelligent beings, is irrelevant when it is the existence of anything outside of the written explanation, of our faith, that is to be alien.

    “Perhaps”, “Maybe”, and “What if” will be the common preface in future discussions about faith. Perhaps, in the universe of equal and opposite forces it is Doubt that is the antithesis of Faith and the catalyst to the search.

    You either know, or you don’t. You’re either searching, or you’re not.

    If you are searching, then you don’t know it and you don’t have complete faith in it.

    Faith is not the practice of strengthening ones beliefs, it is in the actions of a life of knowing and believing.

    This is a perspective gained by being on the fence myself.🙂

    Komentar oleh WISDOM | Oktober 28, 2008 | Balas

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